Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. Original Schultz & Larsens had substantial freebore to keep pressures down, and Normas specifications for the cartridge called for it. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. My 8mm Remington Magnum was stocked in dense walnut and had a long barrel. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. | Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. As Ive said, I like mediums, such as the unpopular 8mm Remington Magnum and the faster .33s. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. was simply a .308 Win. Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. Mag. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. All Rights Reserved. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. These include some of my favorites, such as the .358 Winchester and .45-70. You know the kind with the locking bolt. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. If the .35 Rem. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge has also gained considerable popularity as a combination rifle/pistol cartridge and lever action rifles for the .357 Magnum sell pretty well. Follow along to see exactly how. Thats a question I just dont understand. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Thats the primary game for many of us, but one size doesnt fit all. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. I have become a 35 cal. The numerous magnum .30s are also excellent, but they deliver more recoil. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. Im voting no. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. of energy at the muzzle. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. and the .32 Win. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. Mag. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. 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On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. All rights reserved. Mag. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. For anyone with an experimental or fanciful turn of mind, the .358 Norma and the many .358-inch diameter bullets are a gold mine. Rifle Recoil Table. to achieve its potential. Just have it rebarreled to 9.3X62, and you will have a 358 Norma with five in the magazine! Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. This is a particularly apt comparison because the re-introduced .350 is available in the Remington Model Seven rifle, which is also offered in .300 short magnum calibers. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. I see no reason to shy away from it. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. You can start with the 6.5mms. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. Being able to take off the scope and work with iron sights, using cast bullets or light jacketed bullets, adds an entirely new dimension to the rifle. It is capable of driving a. The .358 Win. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. Any of these will handle just about any big game one might hunt with a .358 Norma, where you want to employ its ample knockdown power. Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H. Not so the .358 Norma. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. Whelen would not. and the 6.5 mm Rem. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. I was wrong. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. However, that may be changing, or at least the possibility of change may exist. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. In more recent times, the 1994 release of the .450 Rigby gave dangerous game hunters a bit more bullet weight than the .416 Rigby and has developed a small but devout following among both professional hunters and their clients alike. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. Mag. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. Tried and true. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Subscriber Services. i have a 35 whelen and love it. Why cant we love the .35? In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. The .338-inch fans cite the advantage of the higher sectional density figures, while the .358-inch camp favors the better frontal diameter of the larger bore. with a similar 180-grain bullet. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. But they are not essential, and despite their effectiveness, all magnums from .30 caliber upwards generate more recoil than many folks are comfortable withand are able to shoot well. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. necked up to .35 caliber. Campfire 'Bwana. Mag. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. It is, as you say, a thumper. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. It was predictable that the .356 Win. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? of muzzle energy. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. Mag. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. I have long been something of a .35 caliber fan, but I have to admit that I believe the reason for the general lack of public acceptance of all but the least powerful .35's is, in a word, recoil. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. The most popular cartridges for hunting and even target shooting begin and end with the thirties. I was used to the 30-06 parent cases (.270, 25-06, etc) so that is what I decided on. The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. I have one, and I like it a lot. The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. 35 Whelen. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. Compare practically any small bore cartridge (.32 caliber or less) with a .35 caliber cartridge of similar powder capacity and the result is pretty much the same. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. Maybe it's a regular BDL? is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. The .358 Win. As it was released in the first century of the 20th century, when the common boundaries of cartridge usage were being defined, the .350 Rigby Magnum was considered an all-around cartridge, especially in the more open terrain of British and German East Africa, known today as Kenya and Tanzania. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! Posts: 46,063. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). Frankly, I would not want to be without them. from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. R Rocky I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. of muzzle energy. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment.
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